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how's it going everybody

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good to be back here on the disclosure

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team youtube channel and before we get

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into uh this interview i just want to

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give a quick shout out to laura sosa

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spaghetti lee and lara sandling bennett

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for being members this month on the

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channel um so yeah thank you guys so

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much um it really does help me do what i

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do i don't normally promote all that

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kind of stuff but i just just want you

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to know it helps so thank you so much

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and good to see you all here live

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so um yeah thank you let's get straight

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into this um i'm really happy to be

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speaking to this gentleman today and

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hopefully we're going to dig into some

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real science and interesting topics so

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please

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welcome mr christopher plane

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christopher how are you doing man great

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vinny thank you for having my uh me on

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my good man happy to be here hey it's my

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pleasure man i'm really looking forward

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to this um me too you know i really feel

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that science is taking a step forward

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when it looks sort of at the uap subject

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at the moment so i really want to try

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and stay on board and

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and hopefully get some valid bits of

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information so i think you're the man

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you're the man to do it so well i can

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tell you i am working over at the debris

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if i work with uh as you know mj banayas

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as uh chrissy newton christina gomez

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grand randall some other jazz shop

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people and

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putting out to our pr people that i was

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willing to finally go out and do some of

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these interviews and sit down and do

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some of these uh chrissy kind of touched

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with tim and all the other guys at the

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team there and said like

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what are the top places where are the

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places we want to have chris go it was a

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very small list and uh your show is

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definitely right at the top of that so

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thank you so much that means a lot to me

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i really appreciate it well thank them

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they're the ones that recommended you i

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well listen before we get into like the

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real depth and the meat and potatoes of

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what i want to talk about can you just

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give us a bit of a background on

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yourself and and your career and and and

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everything about you thank you sure so i

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comedy radio shows in la i wrote for uh

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novel uh called whispers of fate it's a

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2015 the first one came out and uh i had

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uh would you be interested in coming on

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board and here i am

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these guys so uh that's the that's the

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short chris plain career arc right there

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that's amazing man so do you have a

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science background at all i do not no i

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people all the time i say i'm like neil

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technology be as formed as i can pass

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that information on in usable ways to

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everyday people and and try and be a

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my age from time to time but i'm 52 and

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idea of scientists looking at it it had

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something known as the invisible college

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where scientists or researchers would

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kind of secretly share this information

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show is disclosure team right i think a

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fess up and and really give us

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everything they have we would like to

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the worst they could do is bring nothing

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public perception or does that help our

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information so if his approach is

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bring it all in the kitchen sink give me

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everything you guys have

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analysis because of the approach he

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surprised with specifically michael

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but we do have a little group chat of

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the people that work there and uh that

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name raised some digital eyebrows as

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well we'll say that so i don't want to

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get into details there but yes i think

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everybody was a little surprised but

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greer for all of the negatives and for

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the fact that a lot of us like me in

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particular will say i'm uncomfortable

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with the way he makes a living now um

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when he had was running the disclosure

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project and when he had the national

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press club event 20 years ago in the

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people in moving this ball forward and

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individuals down within the group

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obvious taking the right approach which

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is which bring everything in i have

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access to uh and then sorted out from

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there

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yeah and as far as the the the processes

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that abby's sort of put forward on their

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their game plan let's say i think there

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was

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three main efforts they were going for

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do you feel like you'd missed anything

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out was there anything you think you

287
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would have liked to have seen them do

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so

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uh no

290
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me personally no i like the approach

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that they're taking i still think

292
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there's a built up feeling within the

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community even even somebody like me who

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tries to not care so much that there's a

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built-up feeling of a need for reckoning

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a need for an acknowledgement of the

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history and an acknowledgement of a lot

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of cases and a lot of historical things

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that

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okay fine say avi lope jumps out and

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says yep we found it we've seen some

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things flying around displaying these

303
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characteristics and as far as we can

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tell it's a non-human technological

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intelligence right he gives us the big

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enchilada i still think there's a

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feeling of

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we want all these old information old

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stories i think the good news for

310
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obvious that's just not his purview his

311
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purview is let me start from here let me

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start gathering information from here

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i'll use these people that have

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historical knowledge and context but my

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experiment my analysis my project is

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going to be

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gathering new information and analyzing

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new information so i think he's on the

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right track

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excellent i'm just going to give a quick

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shout out and brian thank you so much

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for the 20 super sticker that's

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absolutely incredible thank you so much

324
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but was that not even a question for 20

325
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bucks no that's just a thing

326
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yeah m if that was a mistake and you

327
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want to ask a question as well stick it

328
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um just sticking with the galileo

329
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project um i've lost my train of thought

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now

331
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well i can tell you that the great thing

332
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about that project and the great thing

333
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about what they're doing and their

334
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approach to it is again

335
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we have the dod right we have that

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project whatever they're doing under

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wraps that we may or may not see results

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from we have nasa undertaking their

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effort now and because of the position

340
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they have and because of the where they

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exist

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we don't know if we're going to get

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public or private information from them

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obviously committed to sharing his

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findings publicly so i think that may be

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the most important the two most

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important things about his project is

348
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that but i just think by virtue of his

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position you know vinnie we're talking

350
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about the people he's attracted to the

351
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project chris mellon people like that

352
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not everyone can get everyone on the

353
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phone you know not everyone even the

354
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guys at aaia ted rowe from narcap and

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kevin knuth and these sort of people not

356
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all of these people that are established

357
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scientists can just pick up the phone

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and get someone they want on the phone

359
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but when you hear

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that the head of the astronomy

361
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department at harvard

362
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who's running this high profile project

363
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wants to speak to you

364
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it carries a lot more juice so i think

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just by bringing the juice of his

366
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position

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bringing these people together and

368
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committing to share his information

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publicly i don't think we can ask for a

370
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lot more

371
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from an astronomy professor at a college

372
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yeah the one thing i've just remembered

373
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what i was going to ask is um a lot of

374
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people have been asking and looking for

375
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when

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galileo aims to kind of kick start all

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of this this work and i've not been able

378
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to see anything so just wondering if

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you'd come across any kind of

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information regarding that i i haven't

381
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but you and i were talking before the

382
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show vinnie and i know there's an event

383
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that avi's going to be at next week a

384
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press conference on the 10th and the

385
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impression i get from people around it

386
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is that we should start getting some of

387
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that around then if not maybe even the

388
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day before uh to to give us some

389
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outlines for that event but uh yeah i

390
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think he's

391
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he's been putting his people together

392
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there's a large informal team as well

393
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that he hasn't made public but i can

394
00:14:24,629 --> 00:14:21,680
tell you there are a lot of researchers

395
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at other colleges other phds people in

396
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the scientific field private industry

397
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that have reached out to avi connected

398
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with him and he said yeah you know i

399
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think we could use some of your

400
00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:36,000
expertise on this effort so uh i believe

401
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he's

402
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launching that we mean putting the

403
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,040
telescopes out and gathering the data so

404
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:44,959
i i think he's close to that i'd be

405
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shocked if it's anywhere past january

406
00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:48,800
first

407
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i think we're on the threshold i don't

408
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,320
know i don't have any direct information

409
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:53,839
but everything i'm hearing is that

410
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that's what's happening tons of people

411
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are connecting with them that team is

412
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growing

413
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they have the money in hand uh they've

414
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been zeroing in on locations to put it

415
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and yeah i think sometimes when you're

416
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making those decisions

417
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and you're adding people at the same

418
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time maybe you put a pause on and say

419
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let's see

420
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who else we add before we commit to

421
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locations for telescopes there i know

422
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there are spots that they want to put

423
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some of them

424
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that are not easy to do places like

425
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catalina island which is off the coast

426
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of southern california here places like

427
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that that are just not easy to do so as

428
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you add members to your team some of

429
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those members know people have clout

430
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,639
with people have connections to people

431
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:36,880
and maybe open up doors you know if you

432
00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:39,759
see a big movie released you'll see the

433
00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:41,279
producer of the movie but then you'll

434
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see a bunch of people listed as

435
00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,639
executive producer those are usually

436
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just rich or influential people that

437
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:47,920
have contacts that help the movie get

438
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,240
made i got you the building to use i got

439
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,079
you this airplane to use i got you the

440
00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:55,440
yacht whatever so i think obvi's that's

441
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where he's at he's filling out that team

442
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,240
of high quality people that will help

443
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,120
pave the way for a much more successful

444
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,279
galileo project once he starts actually

445
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:06,880
spending that money

446
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,320
yeah excellent and just for everybody

447
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:10,800
that's not familiar there is an event on

448
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:13,600
wednesday the 10th um where avila will

449
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:14,959
be there with

450
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,600
bill nelson from nasa you can sign up

451
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,639
and watch it live for free i will put

452
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,560
the details in the description after

453
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:24,240
this this interview so that you can go

454
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,120
and sign up and and join in as well um

455
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:30,160
yeah thanks for that chris um for sure

456
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,920
so let's touch let's touch upon nasa

457
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:33,519
while while we're here because we you

458
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:34,720
know you've mentioned it a couple of

459
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,320
times now we've seen uh the

460
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,000
administrator bill nelson talking

461
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,160
publicly about uap for a few months now

462
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,199
on a few occasions so

463
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:45,279
do you think he is a genuine proponent

464
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,480
for more transparency oh yeah i would

465
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:49,680
say

466
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:53,759
that uh he's an uh an unlikely potential

467
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,240
hero here and the reason being is

468
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,399
because his former position on the

469
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,480
senate he seemed to have been aware of a

470
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:02,720
lot of these things potentially even

471
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,079
somebody who was briefed on this uh

472
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,160
leading up to this process may have even

473
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,280
seen these uh films and and photos and

474
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:12,880
other things that we haven't seen the

475
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:15,839
signal intelligence we haven't seen so i

476
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:19,039
think it's he could play a critical role

477
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:19,839
and

478
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,679
something i'm noting that i think is

479
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,199
important is

480
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:25,679
when he first came out i think it was

481
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june or so

482
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:28,880
and said you know hey

483
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:31,440
we've seen the videos and i'm gonna task

484
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,799
my people to look at this right

485
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,120
i i think there was initially i don't

486
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,880
know if you saw that very first press

487
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,559
conference but right on the stage with

488
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,320
him was a couple other like nasa

489
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,240
scientists now keeping keep in mind

490
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,559
bill's a politician and and former

491
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,720
astronaut these are scientists

492
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:51,360
right and a couple of the looks on their

493
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:53,760
faces made me think oh boy

494
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,400
like they're they're indulging him to

495
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:58,320
look into this and talk about this but

496
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,760
as scientists

497
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,919
they gave the most measured answers and

498
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,880
measured tones on well nasa looks for

499
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,440
life it's what we do so yeah i mean

500
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:09,520
we'll kind of look at it i think there

501
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:11,840
was a fear at that time

502
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:14,480
that he may have overplayed his hand

503
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and

504
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,520
it would turn into a big nothing that it

505
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,360
would just uh we've looked at it you

506
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:21,600
know and dod in it or or you know i

507
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,320
don't have the whatever excuse

508
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,320
what we're seeing is the opposite he

509
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:27,679
immediately went and did an interview

510
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,799
with cnn after that he's done a couple

511
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:32,400
of different interviews since then he

512
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,480
was at this event i think it was a

513
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,799
university in virginia the other day

514
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,960
where he brought it up again

515
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,799
and the reason i thought it was so

516
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:42,880
critical this time

517
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,000
is nobody asked him a question about

518
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,440
uaps or the task force or nasa's role

519
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,440
he was talking about

520
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,600
something else and he said hey you know

521
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:55,679
none of you guys have asked me

522
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,039
about the search for life

523
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:01,840
now the reason this is important

524
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,120
is because the search for life at nasa

525
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,039
is a formal

526
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:09,440
thing right like sending rovers to mars

527
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,559
to look for signs of water sending a

528
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:15,039
space you know spacecraft to circle

529
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,919
titan and look for signs of life what oh

530
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,480
looking atmospheres for exoplanet

531
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,440
signatures so it's a formal scientific

532
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,080
thing so he kind of transitions into

533
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,559
that and within the middle of that

534
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:30,720
discussion he says

535
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,520
and of course we've all seen those uap

536
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:35,919
videos and the fighter pilots that were

537
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:37,760
on 60 minutes

538
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,960
he's tying those two things together

539
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,280
four months after he first brought up

540
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,720
the three four months that they were

541
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,960
going to look into so

542
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:48,000
in my

543
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:48,880
my

544
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:53,679
not only saying we're going to look at

545
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,400
it

546
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,960
he's taking the mainstream search for

547
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,120
life that is one of nasa's primary

548
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,919
missions from a scientific basis

549
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,240
and combining it with

550
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:07,039
we're going to look at this uap stuff to

551
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,840
me

552
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,400
you know this is very lou elizondo this

553
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,960
is very i'm talking about what i can't

554
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,360
talk about and then by the way have i

555
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,679
mentioned how many planets there are in

556
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,840
the cosmos and how high a chance there

557
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,200
is for life

558
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,200
they keep sewing these things together

559
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:25,440
and i think that's critical i think that

560
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,400
shows

561
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,640
you know you don't anyone who's been on

562
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,400
ufo twitter knows you don't want to

563
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,679
tease something that you don't have the

564
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:33,760
follow-up to right sure

565
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,720
you'll be shut down pretty quick and uh

566
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,440
i think as a an experienced politician

567
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,440
he's smart enough to know

568
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,240
what he's saying and how he's saying it

569
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,840
yeah the thing is that i've had a lot of

570
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,200
people

571
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,120
mainly on instagram saying oh well it's

572
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,120
just nasa they've they've seen things in

573
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,039
the past they've airbrushed photos this

574
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,880
is just all a big game to them they're

575
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:57,039
just saying what you know they think we

576
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,320
want to hear what would you say to

577
00:21:03,029 --> 00:20:59,919
people like that how would we change

578
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,039
minds so i do know that there i've seen

579
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,080
ufo tv specials where there's uh

580
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,760
allegations of like

581
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,000
ufos showing up in photos that they

582
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,720
airbrush out or every time something

583
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,559
interesting on the on the space station

584
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,159
live feed shows up all of a sudden they

585
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,240
have technical difficulties so i don't

586
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,919
know necessarily what to think about

587
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,679
that i don't know that that's those are

588
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,400
true or untrue things i can tell you

589
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,960
that uh because of the job i have at the

590
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:29,760
debrief i have the opportunity to speak

591
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,360
at scientists at nasa all the time and

592
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,840
and a lot of them will privately you

593
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,120
know you and i have a little

594
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:39,280
conversation before the interview and

595
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,400
this will happen when you're

596
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,640
interviewing a subject for an article

597
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,400
we'll have a little private exchange

598
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,640
before i hit the record button and the

599
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,640
ones that know of the debrief which is

600
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,880
surprisingly high amount and know what

601
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:53,120
we're doing over at the debrief they'll

602
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,320
ask me

603
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,640
hey you guys got any photos or any you

604
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,039
know anything coming is there and and

605
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,039
sometimes i'll tease a little bit of

606
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,960
what we're working on

607
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,000
but what they all universally tell me

608
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,600
and what i do believe from the

609
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,520
scientists i talk to

610
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,760
is that they can't keep a secret they're

611
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,679
intellectually curious they got into

612
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,280
science because they want to know

613
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,760
answers and once they think they know

614
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:19,840
something they can't wait to share it

615
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,679
it's just in their dna so i don't think

616
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,320
there is a concerted effort across the

617
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,159
length and breadth of the scientific

618
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,480
community that works at nasa to keep

619
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,120
this covered up with that being said is

620
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,679
there a small group of people in the

621
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,840
position of power there

622
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,159
who have edited photos or edited videos

623
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:42,000
or turned off live cams i just don't

624
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,520
know i don't know how to go about

625
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,200
finding that information

626
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,960
i think again one of the benefits of

627
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,640
having a guy like nelson in there is

628
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,039
he's new right he's just come into the

629
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,520
job he's just taken over

630
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,559
and

631
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,640
he's coming in i mean when i see him

632
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,799
talk about uaps and life on other

633
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,200
planets in the videos his eyes go wider

634
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,159
than mine right like yeah really he gets

635
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,080
excited he and

636
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,880
i i think that

637
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,440
i have confidence that we're gonna get

638
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,440
something from nasa

639
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,760
if there is a big conspiracy and if they

640
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,520
really are part of it that is really

641
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,640
what's going on then you know

642
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,559
then that would tell me that avilobe and

643
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,760
all these other things probably don't

644
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,280
have a chance either because it's all

645
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,280
probably controlled by some you know q

646
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,280
anon or something that's just not how i

647
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,880
operate the world that's not how i think

648
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,880
things happen and it's not what i think

649
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,039
is going on at nasa i just think like i

650
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,960
said there's just too many smart people

651
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,120
involved that tell me all the time we

652
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,440
can't keep our mouths shut we're uh

653
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,760
we're a leaky sieve if we find out

654
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,279
something cool at nasa the whole world's

655
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,960
gonna know within hours

656
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,960
awesome i like that yeah thank you man

657
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,039
um just a quick shout out again laura

658
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,880
sosa thank you thank you so much for the

659
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,120
five dollar super sticker and awesome

660
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,799
bazinga thank you

661
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,279
andy ohan 50 sec thank you cheers with

662
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,960
the the red wine left

663
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,720
i will toast to you later my friend

664
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,279
thank you so much now when you mentioned

665
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,559
the aiaa conference earlier the

666
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,320
let me bring it up american institute of

667
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,880
aeronautics and astronautics now in that

668
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,120
conference there was talk of uap but

669
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,480
there was specifically i think there was

670
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,520
an air safety talk done by ryan graves

671
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,039
and to me that

672
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,240
fits in a bit with the the the

673
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,679
i don't like calling it the threat

674
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,919
narrative but it's these potential

675
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,679
threats now

676
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,520
this hasn't gone down well with a lot of

677
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,120
people this whole threat narrative they

678
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,960
think it's just um

679
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,960
almost a bit of fear mongering can you

680
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,240
talk about

681
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,640
that air safety aspect and why it is a

682
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,520
potential threat well first of all just

683
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,760
say is the general yes i'm happy to as

684
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,919
the general threat narrative

685
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:49,600
i will say this

686
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,279
uh china and russia are putting

687
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,960
ships in space

688
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,120
space is gonna become a battlefield

689
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,200
weapons will ultimately be up there if

690
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,120
they're not up there already we're

691
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,080
developing weapons the us does

692
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,799
the military industrial complex we like

693
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,880
to call it here does not need a

694
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,200
narrative to raise money they don't need

695
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,919
to say aliens are coming and they're a

696
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,080
threat so give us more money

697
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,760
there is plenty of existential threats

698
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,159
from places like iran north korea plenty

699
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,320
of other countries but in particular

700
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,159
when it comes to high budget

701
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,120
expenditures russia and china

702
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,240
hypersonic weapons hypersonic travel

703
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,559
space battles all the i mean

704
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,440
there is not going to be a shortage of

705
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,320
uh funding for the military

706
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,039
so to me the threat narrative the threat

707
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,039
narrative came out of lou elizando and

708
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,640
these guys trying to get the military to

709
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,960
take it seriously in my opinion and

710
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:51,679
rightfully so the military's there

711
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,400
to uh deter or address threats

712
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,320
as far as

713
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,120
ryan graves and what he talked about at

714
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,080
the aaia he was talking about the

715
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,039
potential for mid-air collision the

716
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,000
potential for an accident and what he

717
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,679
said at that conference and what i

718
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:13,760
quoted in my article was

719
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,720
we are seeing these things so often our

720
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,840
pilots are encountering so often

721
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,559
that i'm quite frankly surprised we

722
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,760
haven't already had a mid-air collision

723
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,960
you know so i think that was a big part

724
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,279
because that was the thrust of that's

725
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,559
that talk at aiaa kevin knuth was there

726
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,640
to talk about maybe the physics behind

727
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:39,760
the propulsion of these things uh ted

728
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,799
rowe was there from narcap to talk about

729
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,520
over 100 years of histories of ufo cases

730
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,080
they have in their database and how some

731
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,840
of those were similar or different from

732
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,520
what pilots were seeing

733
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:53,919
uh there was a

734
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,120
scientist from the european space agency

735
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,440
uh philippe alliers i believe is his

736
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,720
name he was talking about an idea to use

737
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,559
archived photos from the mars

738
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,799
reconnaissance orbiter and the moon

739
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,120
lunar reconnaissance orbiter go through

740
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,360
these photos to look for artifacts of

741
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,320
ancient civilizations crash ships other

742
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,919
things of that nature

743
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:18,840
so it was a broad discussion on uaps to

744
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,880
give context but yeah the thrust of that

745
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,000
discussion was this is becoming a safety

746
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,799
issue pilots are seeing it too often

747
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,799
commercial pilots as well

748
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,000
having near collisions near interactions

749
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,039
and uh and ryan's note was it's only

750
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,760
becoming more frequent not less frequent

751
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,679
this is happening more often this

752
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,000
happens every day

753
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,960
and he's saying since 2019

754
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,279
he come and he said at this conference

755
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,600
he communicates regularly with other

756
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,159
naval aviators he used to work with as

757
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,200
well as air force aviators which is

758
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,720
critical here in the states because

759
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,279
they've been very quiet on this issue

760
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,120
the air force has really not spoken at

761
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,679
all most of this the the movement in the

762
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,320
last few years has been driven by the us

763
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:10,559
navy so

764
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,520
which has the most aviators you know the

765
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,200
stationed around the world for the us

766
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,880
but the air force that is supposed to be

767
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,120
their domain and they do have the best

768
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,600
satellites and stuff and he's saying air

769
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,600
force aviators are telling him privately

770
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,559
yeah man

771
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,480
that stuff's flying around we're seeing

772
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,760
it and we're having near collisions

773
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,000
that's incredible i mean i mean

774
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,919
i assume which is never necessarily a

775
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,200
good thing but

776
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,039
they must be capturing these on their

777
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,760
sensor systems then if it's so frequent

778
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,520
that's you know one would think right

779
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,240
like

780
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,159
yeah i mean if your eyeballs are seeing

781
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,880
it all the time uh if you got a 1970s

782
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,200
video camera duct tape to the outside of

783
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,039
your fighter jet should be picking it up

784
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,240
right like

785
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,440
so uh yeah i think that might be part of

786
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,120
these videos we hear about that we're

787
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,679
not seeing um our

788
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,919
uh interactions that they're seeing i

789
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,919
you know

790
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,679
i hear there might be video of the tic

791
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,559
tac incident from 2004 and that maybe

792
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,200
the signal equipment on those fighters

793
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,440
was turned on and the cameras was turned

794
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,480
on so

795
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,279
um and i think that may be part of the

796
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,600
reluctance of the two wizards the weapon

797
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,919
systems officers to come out and talk

798
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,120
about that because they're the ones that

799
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,559
monitor that and record that i don't

800
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,159
think they want to answer that question

801
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,880
so that's a purely personal opinion and

802
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,720
yes i do work in a place where i get a

803
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,559
little bit inside information from time

804
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,960
to time but that's just my opinion i i

805
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,480
think that there may be video of those

806
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,200
incidents as well and that may be part

807
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,520
of uh of these longer videos that we're

808
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,840
not seeing yeah no i've heard certainly

809
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,279
heard the rumors in in some back

810
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,279
channels as well yeah it is strange i

811
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,960
think one of the wizards and forgive me

812
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,799
i forget his name i think he did one

813
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,640
talk on a network

814
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,600
okay

815
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,679
one and then after that just disappeared

816
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,559
i think that was 20 2018 i believe and

817
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,880
yeah i found strange i know that

818
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,279
dietrich and flavor are public but i've

819
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,480
always under the impression that the

820
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,919
other two were not

821
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,120
known names so um just one of them

822
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,799
yeah yeah if i find it i'll send you the

823
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,520
clip yeah fantastic yes i'm in the link

824
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,200
so listen just talking about the tic tac

825
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,640
in that what were your initial thoughts

826
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:18,960
when you first saw whether three navy

827
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,799
videos back in well 2017 early 2018.

828
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,480
so this is something i've been following

829
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,679
well okay

830
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:28,080
i want to caveat this

831
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:28,960
sure

832
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,600
i was so far out of the ufo after the

833
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,559
early 2000s and the press club and and

834
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,960
stephen grier and disclosure project and

835
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,279
that slowly kind of ran out of steam in

836
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,840
the early 2000s anybody who's followed

837
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,440
this for a long time will know that you

838
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,600
kind of go through these waves and don't

839
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,159
get me wrong this most recent wave may

840
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,399
be the the cresting wave we may finally

841
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,039
be turning a corner here but

842
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,799
uh i didn't even see the videos at the

843
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,720
end of 2017 or the new york times when

844
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,399
they came out i was off just living my

845
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,120
life so involved i was out of the ufo

846
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,720
loop 2018 i was in bliss and then

847
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,440
they started promoting the unidentified

848
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,519
show for the history channel where lou

849
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,519
elizondo and the guys came on steve

850
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,440
justice all of them and the two of the

851
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,919
stars academy was becoming a thing and

852
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:16,640
uh

853
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,760
so i i was i didn't know any you know it

854
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,559
i was so out of the ufo loop

855
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,399
and so out of that

856
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,399
world that it really didn't hit me until

857
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
the middle of 2019.

858
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,320
i remember the first time i saw the

859
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,559
videos

860
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,200
i i got a little bit of a chill and that

861
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,120
okay

862
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:44,080
this is new this isn't like videos we've

863
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,840
seen

864
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
before um

865
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,080
i do remember calling my brother my

866
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,679
younger brother somebody we followed

867
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,519
this together and watched these specials

868
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,840
and he watched it he said okay so

869
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,200
instead of

870
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,679
blurry black and white civilian videos

871
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,679
we have blurry black and white military

872
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,640
videos so there was uh you know i was

873
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,039
over the moon he was like ah you know so

874
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,279
there was kind of a halfway

875
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,240
i do think

876
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,640
the more i watch these videos i think a

877
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,320
couple of things one

878
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,399
i think that mick west might have a good

879
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,559
case for go fast right i don't think

880
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
it's going fast and i think there's an

881
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,720
argument to be made for a balloon

882
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:26,559
hanging just above the water zipping

883
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,440
along

884
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,720
um

885
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,200
that was discussed by knuth and these

886
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,279
other guys at that conference i was at

887
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:35,039
and they discussed reasons why they

888
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,080
thought

889
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,919
the temperature of the object wouldn't

890
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:39,919
be right depending on the material and

891
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,440
the sunlight that it still feels like

892
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,279
maybe it's not a balloon to them so

893
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,840
they're more scientists than i am but

894
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:50,000
i see where one can kind of look at that

895
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,279
video and to me that was the most

896
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,120
exciting one initially because that was

897
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,480
something zipping along that had no

898
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,960
wings right yeah it didn't look to have

899
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,960
helicopter blades

900
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,799
the flare video

901
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,919
um i think still rests in that weird

902
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,519
argument of

903
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,640
did it zip off to the side or did the

904
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,960
aperture change and whatever

905
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,159
uh i

906
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,240
for me i think the gimbal video is

907
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,080
settled i don't think it's a visual

908
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,200
effect i i think that's a craft flying

909
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,080
against the wind and over 100 knots and

910
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,799
rotating its axis in a bizarre way i

911
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,880
think that surprisingly may turn out to

912
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,399
be the most critical of all three of

913
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,360
those

914
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,399
um i do always think that with the flair

915
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,840
video there's a context point that some

916
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,840
people might you know maybe the more

917
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,320
critical people might miss that i think

918
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,159
matters and this is this is how i would

919
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,559
put that video imagine you're out on a

920
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:46,399
hunting trip with a bunch of friends

921
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,279
right

922
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,080
and every few days one of the guys comes

923
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,640
back to the camp and says i saw a

924
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,919
unicorn

925
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,559
like i was out hunting for bears and i

926
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,320
saw a unicorn and everybody goes come on

927
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,919
man unicorns don't exist they're not

928
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,080
real you probably saw a horse or you saw

929
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,480
a deer or you saw something else

930
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,640
after a number of days

931
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:08,560
eric like half of the hunters have come

932
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,760
back and said i've seen a unicorn

933
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,599
the next day a guy comes back with this

934
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,960
camera and goes hey guys i saw the

935
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,879
unicorn too and i got a picture of it

936
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,240
and he shows you a picture and it's

937
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,359
blurry

938
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,599
but it generally looks like the unicorn

939
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,440
all you guys have been seeing

940
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,399
i think that that lends credence to that

941
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,040
picture being an actual unicorn right so

942
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,960
one can argue that video is a little

943
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,879
blurry whatever but i think of the

944
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,560
context of

945
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,240
people are constantly seeing this on the

946
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,639
radar then the pilots physically see the

947
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,960
tic tac and then within hours or a day

948
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,280
whatever the timeline is another pilot

949
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,040
images this

950
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,320
i think that's a good argument for that

951
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,560
video being authentic as well so i think

952
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,720
the most initial visually stunning the

953
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,800
go fast has the easiest one to offer

954
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,960
conventional explanation i think the

955
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,880
flare's in the gray area but has some

956
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,520
context that that makes it feel real and

957
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,760
i think the gimbal's a real video

958
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,760
oh they're all fair fair estimates yeah

959
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,920
i can get on board with that completely

960
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,440
um so let's bring it back up to this

961
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,640
year 2021 we saw the uap etf preliminary

962
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,359
assessment on june 25th again another

963
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,960
thing with completely mixed feelings

964
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,040
throughout everyone that is even you

965
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,440
know interested in in the ufo uap

966
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,839
subject did you take anything away from

967
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,680
it was it a disappointment

968
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,599
how did you thought it was huge i was

969
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,440
super excited you know when i met tim

970
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,920
mcmillan before i started working there

971
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,839
i messaged him on the he was on the

972
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,599
internet saying that he thought this

973
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,680
report would be forthcoming next year

974
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,520
this was late last year

975
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,560
and uh

976
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,079
i told him i said all right here's what

977
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,079
i think that is report's to look like

978
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,880
and i wrote out a one-page mock-up

979
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,280
version of what i thought the military

980
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,359
would say and not say

981
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,520
and i put it on the internet

982
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,240
on youtube and tim and i went back and

983
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:58,000
forth this is actually the wording of

984
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,440
the way they would word and you know he

985
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,240
kind of helped me craft it a little bit

986
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,200
but i was shocked at how close it turned

987
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,760
out to be and if anything the report was

988
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:09,760
more than i expected here's the here's

989
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:12,880
the real takeaway for me

990
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,480
the argument for the vast majority of my

991
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:18,240
life has been

992
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,240
are uaps ufos a real thing

993
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,560
or all either misidentifications

994
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,839
hallucinations or people making things

995
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,960
up

996
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,880
i think we now have

997
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,599
the top military organization

998
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,280
of let's be honest the biggest

999
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,200
organization on the planet the us

1000
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,200
military in and of itself is the most

1001
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,160
well-funded biggest organization of any

1002
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,240
type on the planet

1003
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,880
that organization is coming out saying

1004
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,680
we have 144 incidents of this and we

1005
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,240
can't answer 143.

1006
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,599
i think that's huge for them to also say

1007
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:56,960
in that report

1008
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,599
we have over 20 of these instances where

1009
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,520
they essentially display some of the

1010
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,960
observables

1011
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,280
right like yeah that's the critical

1012
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,520
stuff i mean i think we all say we've

1013
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,160
seen videos whatever what we want is a

1014
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,680
video of something

1015
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,760
displaying observables making a hard

1016
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,599
right turn shooting up into the

1017
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,400
atmosphere traveling at mach 50 whatever

1018
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,599
we want to see those things on video

1019
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:22,400
so

1020
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,200
uh

1021
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,160
i think that the uaptf

1022
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,800
gave as much as they could in a public

1023
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,800
report initially

1024
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,480
and essentially

1025
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,240
answered the question

1026
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,760
ufos for lack of a better term uaps are

1027
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,280
a real thing

1028
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,599
being seen regularly

1029
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,240
some being seen with these extreme

1030
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
performance extreme performance

1031
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,599
characteristics

1032
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:50,000
and being picked up on signal equipment

1033
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,440
being picked up on radar sonar infrared

1034
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,680
uh all these other types of electronic

1035
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,320
emf equipment that they use on these

1036
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,079
military craft tons of things we don't

1037
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,800
even know about i mean we wrote a story

1038
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,680
at the debrief about how you can use 5g

1039
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,320
like a radar to track people's motions

1040
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,800
right so imagine the equipment that's on

1041
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,800
these on these uh

1042
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:15,920
fighter jets and naval uh craft

1043
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,200
so yeah i think that report

1044
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,320
in many ways ended the rufo's real

1045
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,520
argument

1046
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,760
and said had the biggest organization on

1047
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,920
the planet saying yeah it's real we're

1048
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,839
dealing with it and

1049
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,480
out of 144 we don't know what all but

1050
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,320
one word

1051
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,680
yeah i agree

1052
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,760
i i set my expectations quite low so

1053
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,520
that when we did get something you know

1054
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,640
they weren't

1055
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,800
broken let's say but then recently we've

1056
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,240
seen the ndaa fiscal year 2022 with the

1057
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,079
senate bill and the house bills as well

1058
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,760
with the possibility of getting a

1059
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,680
permanent uap office

1060
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,359
now that to me was great and it sounds

1061
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,440
exciting but i think a lot of people are

1062
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,440
disappointed that we will definitely or

1063
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,320
almost definitely not get any kind of

1064
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,760
public

1065
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,800
um reports in this case

1066
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,119
i mean here's what i will tell you right

1067
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,760
so think about the a-tip and a-swap

1068
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,520
right they were

1069
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,320
programs we didn't know existed publicly

1070
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:15,920
that were happening behind the scenes

1071
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,800
that were woefully underfunded that had

1072
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,359
a couple of people working on it and

1073
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,520
given enough time we learned about it

1074
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,119
and we learned about everything that

1075
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,200
they did now granted it took one guy

1076
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,359
coming public with it but it really did

1077
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,760
ultimately lead to that so now think of

1078
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,680
a permanent office that we all know

1079
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,720
exists

1080
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,480
that we all know is working and is

1081
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,240
actually funded and has people working

1082
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,560
in it uh

1083
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,560
in this business we have a lot of really

1084
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,240
good investigative reporters that are

1085
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,160
really good at making connections and

1086
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,920
making contacts and reaching out to

1087
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,240
people and i don't want to name drop any

1088
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,040
of my bosses but uh if there are people

1089
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,200
in that field that are going to be

1090
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,119
permanently employed by the u.s

1091
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,760
government to look into uaps in a

1092
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,280
permanent office

1093
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,720
that information is going to work its

1094
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,359
way out to the public i'm i'm confident

1095
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,680
it may not work its way out initially

1096
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,280
but especially if the information

1097
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,200
they're gathering is consistent with

1098
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,880
that report they're finding things they

1099
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,720
can't explain they're finding things

1100
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,880
that are recorded on signal intel and

1101
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,880
they're finding things that are uh

1102
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,680
performing in unusual uh ways that we

1103
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,359
can't easily replicate or can't

1104
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,400
replicate

1105
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,400
uh i think it's great that there will be

1106
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,200
an office there i mean uh i would love

1107
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,440
john greenwald to start getting document

1108
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,760
stacks back from that office that are

1109
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,240
all just completely blacked out because

1110
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,720
that means they're finding stuff right i

1111
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,960
want foyer requests from that office

1112
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,040
every year that are just filled with

1113
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,960
redactions because that means they're

1114
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,880
finding things and that means that

1115
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,720
sooner or later we will get that

1116
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,920
information

1117
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,280
ah that's good to hear i like that

1118
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,400
positivity

1119
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,079
um michael hendington you're right i

1120
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,720
should be careful in in my wording four

1121
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,680
years not permanent yeah thank you for

1122
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,359
that because yeah i did know that i

1123
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,720
shouldn't have said that i think what i

1124
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,079
was trying to say is it's not just a

1125
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,800
couple of people the uap task force with

1126
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,079
very limited

1127
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,760
uh resources it's going to be something

1128
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,920
a little bit more

1129
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,040
yeah

1130
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,319
you know a multi-year undertaking with

1131
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,400
some actual funding and again like i

1132
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:21,680
said at nasa a project manager a project

1133
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,480
name

1134
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,800
a staff that works under it a budget

1135
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,960
allocation all of those things are how

1136
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,640
organizations like this work and once

1137
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,040
you make something like that a permanent

1138
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,440
uh you know or at least a multi-year

1139
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,839
project as opposed to a task force which

1140
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,440
is what it sounds like it's like we're

1141
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,800
here for a few weeks to look at

1142
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,000
something yeah i i i find it to be a

1143
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,119
step forward the more here's here's the

1144
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,800
question i ask people all the time when

1145
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,520
they express criticisms about nasa or

1146
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,240
galileo or this all legitimate concerns

1147
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,760
by the way we've all been lied to for

1148
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,599
long enough we should be concerned and

1149
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,160
we should be skeptical but my question

1150
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,680
is always do you want more people

1151
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,720
looking at this or less right so

1152
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,359
and do you want more people in positions

1153
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,280
where they can get their hands on things

1154
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,599
lou elizondo's biggest complaint i know

1155
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,240
this even uh you know behind the scenes

1156
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,480
as well from the people i work with

1157
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,040
is being stonewalled by

1158
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,839
two of the 21 intelligence agencies

1159
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,680
within the government that he always

1160
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,560
lists

1161
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,319
lots of them are just like no we didn't

1162
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,480
turn our photos over we didn't turn our

1163
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,160
reports over

1164
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,920
what elizondo we haven't heard of you

1165
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,480
what i just would blow it off when you

1166
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,640
create an office that's entrenched like

1167
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:36,800
that whose job is specifically to do

1168
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,920
that it will build its own capital over

1169
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,240
a year two years three years to where it

1170
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,880
has authority to make those things

1171
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,040
happen to force that information to a

1172
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,680
place where it can be better analyzed so

1173
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,480
i i'm in favor of all of these man if

1174
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:54,720
you would have told me in the 1980s that

1175
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,720
the dod the aia harvard nasa

1176
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,520
uh

1177
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,920
the the the us government and a

1178
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,240
permanent uh organization under the

1179
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,520
senate all of these things were

1180
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,280
happening i would have said you're crazy

1181
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,960
there's no way

1182
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,720
that's all gonna happen and all gonna

1183
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,960
happen in like a one-year span right

1184
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:14,800
like think of the announcement that we

1185
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,560
would get a ua ptf report last fall and

1186
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:19,839
since then

1187
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,440
galileo nasa all these other huge things

1188
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,319
have happened just in that like the

1189
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,200
videos lit the fuse the guys going out

1190
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:31,760
public got the attention behind it ufo

1191
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,119
twitter disclosure team the the podcast

1192
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,760
world these things all got behind it and

1193
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,160
we are seeing fruits of that labor i'm

1194
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,040
convinced of it nice um i got a question

1195
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,960
which i was sent earlier from eve clancy

1196
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,880
so thank you eve i've got it on my phone

1197
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,079
here it says

1198
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,319
plain wrote that stigma around uaps

1199
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,960
prevented half a century of their study

1200
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,880
do we need more products like mirage men

1201
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:57,200
to timeline the dod using a stigma

1202
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,870
say that again like

1203
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,359
read that one more time for me

1204
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,040
yeah i've lost the question on screen so

1205
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,960
i can only read it or let me try it on

1206
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:10,960
youtube bear with me

1207
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,319
yeah no it's got it's gone too fast

1208
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:16,400
yeah do we need more products like

1209
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,000
mirage men to timeline the dod using a

1210
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,560
stigma campaign

1211
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,520
like mirage men to timeline the dod i

1212
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,040
don't think i know what that question is

1213
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,760
right here on the screen now here we go

1214
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,720
okay

1215
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,640
plain wrote that stigma around you

1216
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,319
okay first sentence i got do we need

1217
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,640
more products like mirage men

1218
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:38,640
to timeline the dod using a stigma

1219
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,319
campaign to borrow citizen awareness

1220
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,680
hmm

1221
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,599
yeah i'm not 100 percent clear on what

1222
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,680
that's happening sorry eve did anyone

1223
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,160
rephrase this i completely understand it

1224
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,440
maybe you

1225
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,400
repost it you know yeah i mean mirageman

1226
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:56,960
was a film about the dod stigma campaign

1227
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,560
about oh richard doty and the kind of

1228
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,520
air force osi and you know

1229
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,839
covering up basically or and things like

1230
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,319
that but it still doesn't really make me

1231
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,000
understand the question to be honest

1232
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,560
yeah i can i can tell you that

1233
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,119
stigma is a word i i've heard a lot in

1234
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,520
the year i've been working at the debris

1235
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,040
and i tell people all the time you know

1236
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,599
what's hilarious and ironic for me is

1237
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,640
although i'm

1238
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,880
extremely interested in ufos and ufps

1239
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,640
i've been following it my whole life it

1240
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,640
wasn't what i was brought to the debrief

1241
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,720
to write about right they said we've got

1242
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:33,040
tim mcmillan we have micah hanks we have

1243
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:36,640
mj binay we have jazz shaw ryan sprague

1244
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,400
grem randall we have a staff of informed

1245
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,240
experienced writers that can write about

1246
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,800
ufo and uab we want you to come in and

1247
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,560
write about science because that's what

1248
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,119
i enjoy writing about it's what i read

1249
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,839
about on my own time and

1250
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,760
i i wasn't averse to writing about you

1251
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,520
if he just wasn't what i brought in and

1252
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,560
in the 130 or so stories i've written

1253
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,720
since i've joined the debrief less than

1254
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,119
five have been related to uap but

1255
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,040
they've all been relatively recent

1256
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,599
because those two worlds are colliding

1257
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,480
we are coming into a situation where

1258
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,960
science is part of the discussion again

1259
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,040
and for a longest time it wasn't we

1260
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,599
wanted it to be we wanted the overloebs

1261
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,200
and the nasa's of the world to be

1262
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,240
involved but they weren't so now i find

1263
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,880
myself gleefully so

1264
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,599
writing and talking about science and

1265
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,880
ufos in the exact same article it's it's

1266
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,119
it's been fantastic now that's great and

1267
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,640
eve just followed up by saying chris

1268
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,720
mellon is very concerned the the air

1269
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,079
force is blocking disclosure yeah do you

1270
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,319
i i can i can put some weight behind

1271
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,160
that comment absolutely

1272
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,040
so i i have two opposing thoughts in my

1273
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,359
head that have been there

1274
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,839
like i always say pretty much since 1977

1275
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:54,480
when i first saw a tv show in the us

1276
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,440
called

1277
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,920
in search of about ufos the first my

1278
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,240
first real exposure to it as a

1279
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,520
phenomenon and um

1280
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,920
my two opposing thoughts are this

1281
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,040
first of all there are very real things

1282
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,839
that people are seeing that are physical

1283
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,760
mechanical things like i don't want to

1284
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,920
you know there there may be supernatural

1285
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,760
there may be other answers for some

1286
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,680
aspects of the phenomena i do think

1287
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,960
there's a good argument that there's

1288
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
multiple things going on

1289
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
but i do think that that

1290
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,760
uh there's a physical

1291
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,280
real thing

1292
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,800
triangles

1293
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,599
uh

1294
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,559
tic tacs

1295
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,040
possibly disc shape saucer shape type

1296
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,720
craft i do think some of these things

1297
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,119
are real and physical so i think the

1298
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,680
question always comes down to at least

1299
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,200
for the modern

1300
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,359
what we call the modern ufo phenomenon

1301
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,839
so world war ii to present whether you

1302
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,920
you want to start in 1940 like graham

1303
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,000
did when covering the foo fighters in

1304
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,839
his awesome book which i recommend

1305
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,559
everybody read oh it's fantastic

1306
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,079
such a good book and he's such a good

1307
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,559
writer and so smart and you know just a

1308
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,280
gem of a guy but um not that great in

1309
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,760
the sack but no i'm just

1310
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,800
um

1311
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:11,839
so uh you can edit that out all right

1312
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,760
so you're like no chris we're live uh so

1313
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,839
i i would say my two opposing thoughts

1314
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,160
have always been this in the modern ufo

1315
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,280
phenomenon we still can't completely

1316
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:24,880
rule out

1317
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,520
secret ufo crap secret man-made craft

1318
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,000
that utilize some sort of anti-gravity

1319
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,720
propulsion right it would definitely

1320
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,119
address a lot of what people have seen

1321
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,319
since then

1322
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:41,599
so you have these two

1323
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,960
if we're if we're covering up the ufo

1324
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,520
story for real meaning we meaning u.s

1325
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,520
military u.s government men in black

1326
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,520
whatever you want to call it and the uk

1327
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,119
kind of hand in hand because they've had

1328
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:55,440
a hand in a lot of it so

1329
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,800
either that has been a concerted effort

1330
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,359
to keep the truth of non-human

1331
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,599
technological intelligence from the

1332
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,280
public or

1333
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,359
it has been an effort to keep the truth

1334
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,920
of our own secret anti-gravity craft

1335
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,960
from the public and yeah both still

1336
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,720
could be the answer

1337
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,000
and if the answer is number two

1338
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,160
or at least part of the phenomena part

1339
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:21,760
of what we're seeing falls under the

1340
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,559
umbrella if you were the air force and

1341
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:26,960
you were the people in in

1342
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,400
you know uh charge of that technology

1343
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,400
wouldn't you keep your action you'd be

1344
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,640
doing everything you could to not let

1345
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,720
that out and i would see if we have that

1346
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,880
technology whether it was the uk or the

1347
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,960
us that had that technology within our

1348
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,520
military arsenal there's no benefit to

1349
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,079
making it public absolutely not we're

1350
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,760
already the leading superpower in the

1351
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,760
world the only time something like that

1352
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,440
becomes public is when you find yourself

1353
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,839
number two and they're not number two so

1354
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,319
there's no benefit to being public so

1355
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,040
that the air force silence

1356
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,280
some people ascribe it to

1357
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,520
they just got burned with blue book they

1358
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,160
just don't want to be involved and it

1359
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:07,760
you know we'll let the navy deal with

1360
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,119
this and we we need to stay out of it um

1361
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,520
but yeah them running interference if

1362
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,599
chris mellon you know he was on the

1363
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,280
inside he was trying to find the answers

1364
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,599
if he thinks they're legitimately

1365
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,040
running interference that they're

1366
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,240
legitimately uh stopping things he may

1367
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,920
very well be right the motivation for

1368
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,839
that could be any one of those things

1369
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,839
and something else i'm not thinking of

1370
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,720
but

1371
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,599
uh

1372
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,520
it's a

1373
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,359
i think that's why i'm excited about

1374
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,760
that new office uh the the four-year

1375
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,720
office

1376
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
is what i mentioned the ability to maybe

1377
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:42,400
pierce that

1378
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:45,839
with uh fbi cia

1379
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,280
uh nsa the various military intelligence

1380
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,400
offices

1381
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,200
pierce that to get to

1382
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,280
at least internally

1383
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,160
because when chris mellon says

1384
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,280
it's not ours i've looked as deep as i

1385
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,880
can look to all the corners i can look i

1386
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,520
believe him that he believes that it

1387
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,280
just doesn't mean that there isn't a

1388
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,680
corner he can't look into yeah or

1389
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,760
doesn't have access to yeah i was going

1390
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,880
to ask you when you were talking about

1391
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,800
man-made craft have you

1392
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,280
ever looked into or heard rumors around

1393
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:22,000
you know the 8 late 80s through the 90s

1394
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,040
the kind of

1395
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,800
sr-72 sr 90 whatever it was the aurora

1396
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,000
these kind of

1397
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,640
mythological black programs that we just

1398
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,640
don't know if they ever existed or do

1399
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,000
and you know

1400
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,960
so i wrote about the sr-72 and actually

1401
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,359
got somebody at lockheed martin to

1402
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,920
answer me and their answer was

1403
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,680
top-secret projects

1404
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,359
of this nature are the things that

1405
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,880
whether they exist or not we can't

1406
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,400
discuss publicly and blah blah blah um

1407
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,760
so uh i've hear a lot you know td barnes

1408
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,400
who was a veteran of area 51 did an

1409
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,359
interview

1410
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,280
uh with the debrief a couple of months

1411
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,880
back chrissy newton it's up on our

1412
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,720
youtube channel awesome interview i

1413
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,960
wrote an article he had a bunch of great

1414
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,640
thoughts on whether or not we have crash

1415
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,040
craft or all of those sorts of ideas he

1416
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,040
talked about the tic tac and radar

1417
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,720
spoofing and he talked about a lot of

1418
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,760
that stuff

1419
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:15,040
so um

1420
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,400
what was your question again i'm sorry i

1421
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,160
lost myself it was just do you put any

1422
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:20,079
weight behind these rumors of you know

1423
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,119
the the

1424
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,760
these projects the aurora the sr oh yeah

1425
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,319
yeah yeah so

1426
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,119
he a point he often makes and a point we

1427
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:32,880
heard often when the sr-71 was shut down

1428
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,240
was well the u.s military doesn't end a

1429
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,240
program unless they already have a

1430
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,079
replacement in place that's something i

1431
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,160
heard a lot something hurt a lot well

1432
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:44,960
the truth of the matter is the main

1433
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:48,240
tasking of the sr-71

1434
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,359
or

1435
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:51,760
has been accomplished by satellites so

1436
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,880
it could very well just be the case that

1437
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,280
military observation satellites were

1438
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,559
good enough that we went ah fueling this

1439
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,559
thing maintaining this thing shooting it

1440
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,480
up in the sky and having it fly over to

1441
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,319
more or less take pictures which is

1442
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,319
which is what it does oh we have a

1443
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,839
thousand satellites flying over that

1444
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,000
same place every week that can take much

1445
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,079
better pictures and much more reliable

1446
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:17,680
so i've been wary of the aurora or those

1447
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:21,520
sort of things with that being said

1448
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,880
there's a lot now to indicate that there

1449
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,599
is an sr-72 being developed that there

1450
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,599
is a hypersonic

1451
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,319
uh you know mach 5 or higher

1452
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,319
traditionally fueled

1453
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,520
uh

1454
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:36,480
jet

1455
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,319
aircraft being used i think in the

1456
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,800
hypersonics has gotten to a weird place

1457
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,640
right like it's something you hear in

1458
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,720
the news all the time oh russia or china

1459
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,160
is going to have a hypersonic missile

1460
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,119
it'll go mach 6. guess what icbms will

1461
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,000
go mach 20 okay they'll go into air

1462
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:56,960
orbit you know you have to go 17 500

1463
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,920
miles an hour to get into earth orbit

1464
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,359
and we already have stuff that'll go

1465
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,000
that bad so a hypersonic missile yeah

1466
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,839
that's really exciting but you know we

1467
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,440
can send a rocket that'll go five times

1468
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:09,920
as fast as a hypersonic missile but

1469
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,200
hypersonic aircraft the ability to put a

1470
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,280
body inside of one of these things or a

1471
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,040
critical person or critical people

1472
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,280
inside one i do think that that's

1473
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,359
something that's regularly being worked

1474
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,520
on and i wouldn't be the least bit

1475
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,400
surprised if it's being tested and uh if

1476
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,800
it is being worked on it is being tested

1477
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,720
then you bet your ass that debris is

1478
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:32,240
going to report on it the minute we know

1479
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,200
something

1480
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,880
yeah now awesome thank you for touching

1481
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,200
upon that um now recently i spoke with

1482
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,640
luella zondo and he gave a little

1483
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,400
demonstration of this new artificial

1484
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,880
intelligence software that is going to

1485
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,359
be released soon to the public um to

1486
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,640
look at uap videos to assess whether

1487
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,480
they show a genuine unknown and things

1488
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,240
like that do you put much weight behind

1489
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:53,920
these kind of projects

1490
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,760
so uh this is really exciting so

1491
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,400
i know it's still not completely public

1492
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,160
i know there was a little teasing on

1493
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,240
twitter a few months ago

1494
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,559
but i'm connected and in touch with some

1495
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,839
people at uap at home i don't know if

1496
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,040
you've heard of uap at home no uh it's

1497
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,079
what it sounds like it's using equipment

1498
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,559
at home telescopes and other observation

1499
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,119
equipment and letting that

1500
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,079
information be analyzed at a central

1501
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,200
server and what it really is attempting

1502
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,920
to do is democratize the process i mean

1503
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,920
imagine if just everyone who is

1504
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,160
interested in this have a little camera

1505
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,680
parked in their backyard or on top of

1506
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,920
their apartment or wherever that was

1507
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,760
pointed there was connected to their

1508
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,760
computer and it was just gathering data

1509
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,760
and that data could all be analyzed by

1510
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:45,040
software

1511
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,000
so

1512
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,079
that's kind of what i believe uapx was

1513
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,880
doing i know that's what uap at home is

1514
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,040
doing i know that uh

1515
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,440
they've been working diligently on that

1516
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,040
there are people that we're connected

1517
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,440
with over the debris so it's something

1518
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,119
when there is a big announcement to come

1519
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,079
out we'll be reporting on it but yeah

1520
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,000
you know i hear regularly oh there's a

1521
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,760
million there's a zillion cell phone

1522
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,599
cameras on the planet if everybody's

1523
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,520
walking around with the camera why don't

1524
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,520
we have great ufo videos well i think

1525
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,359
what we're about to find

1526
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,839
is uh thousands if not hundreds of

1527
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,680
thousands of people on the planet

1528
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,760
pointing telescopes at the skies and

1529
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,079
pointing much more sophisticated cameras

1530
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,359
at this guys

1531
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,280
gathering and sharing that data in a way

1532
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,799
that it can be analyzed like never

1533
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,960
before we're in the computer age we're

1534
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,559
in the information this is just going to

1535
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,920
happen

1536
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,480
yeah absolutely and one final thing that

1537
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,000
you wrote about that i really found

1538
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,520
really interesting was this story which

1539
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:40,799
i'd not heard a lot about was the

1540
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,319
asteroid biologist abel mendes

1541
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,400
who was calling for the dod to release

1542
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,520
data in that can you give us a little

1543
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,599
bit of a breakdown of that story sure

1544
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:52,559
abel uh runs a facility uh down in

1545
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,559
arecibo uh puerto rico it's a huge

1546
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,799
telescope facility that recently has had

1547
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,160
some damage

1548
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:01,760
for people who ever saw the movie

1549
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,040
contact with jody foster that's the the

1550
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,599
big telescope takes a lot of it takes

1551
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:09,839
place there and

1552
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,599
i was reaching out to him when uh you

1553
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,720
know the dod was talking about analyzing

1554
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,720
this data and nasa and some of these

1555
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,440
other ones and i asked him i said abel

1556
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,200
you know would you

1557
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,440
join in on this effort is this something

1558
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,359
you would be interested in

1559
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,240
and he said chris until we make all this

1560
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,839
data public it's useless if we're gonna

1561
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,520
if we're gonna look at

1562
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:36,880
if you're asking me to look at the

1563
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,760
gimbal the go fast and the flir video

1564
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,319
and give you a scientist analysis i got

1565
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,559
nothing to give you my analysis is the

1566
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:46,720
same as everybody else but as a

1567
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,559
scientist and particularly as an

1568
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,400
astrobiologist which is a pretty new job

1569
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:54,400
but it's the job of looking for and

1570
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,440
analyzing signs of life or evaluating

1571
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,319
potential uh concepts of how life might

1572
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,119
exist on other planets so he's a very

1573
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,680
prominent astrobiologist and somebody

1574
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,640
who's very open to extraterrestrial life

1575
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,440
whose job is designed around looking for

1576
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,960
it and studying it ideally and uh yeah

1577
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,040
he was in that article it's been a few

1578
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,440
months back but yeah in that article

1579
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,640
he was basically saying uh

1580
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,280
give us the data or leave us out of it

1581
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,520
if you want scientists to look at this

1582
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,520
you have to give us the data to look at

1583
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,599
it we can't we can't meet in some

1584
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,839
private room watch some little video

1585
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,680
secretly we can't tell anyone about to

1586
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,240
give you an uh an opinion on it i need

1587
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,319
the data i need the films i need the

1588
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,319
data recordings and i need to be able to

1589
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,319
sit down with my scientists that do this

1590
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,640
for a living and the astronomers who do

1591
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,040
this for a living and try and suss out

1592
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:51,599
what it is and isn't we're looking at so

1593
00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:54,960
i think people like abel

1594
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,280
again you have a mainstream

1595
00:59:02,549 --> 00:58:59,920
well-positioned

1596
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,559
highly credible scientist at a

1597
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,440
mainstream well-positioned facility that

1598
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:07,520
he runs that whole facility not just

1599
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,559
telescope that whole arecibo facility

1600
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,280
and he's talking about life on other

1601
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,400
planets

1602
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,319
wanting to look at ufo videos and

1603
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,280
determine what's real and what's not not

1604
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,400
not giving a neil degrasse tyson smirk

1605
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,079
and saying ah

1606
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,000
yeah sure bring me back something from

1607
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,799
the ship if you get abducted but saying

1608
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,640
we need to look at this and this is a

1609
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,400
real thing that scientists need to look

1610
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,680
at that's

1611
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,480
that's the overwhelming

1612
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,400
opinion i get from scientists that i

1613
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:41,680
speak to at my job is they are curious

1614
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,559
people who are open-minded they're not

1615
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:46,240
making their minds up ahead of time the

1616
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,599
people that have made their minds up

1617
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,599
ahead of time i hate to say it are

1618
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,920
usually a much older generation who grew

1619
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,599
up in a world where man hadn't really

1620
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,000
walked on the moon exoplanets didn't

1621
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,640
exist and they just haven't rearranged

1622
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,119
their mind to the new information that's

1623
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160
become available in this period of time

1624
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,240
so yeah now that makes sense thank you

1625
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,160
yeah that's really interesting it just

1626
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,400
goes to show that i guess the stigma and

1627
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:12,079
taboo has dropped if more scientists are

1628
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,280
willing to talk about it and come

1629
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:16,000
forward with you know it's going away

1630
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,440
vinnie you know i think we're in the

1631
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,559
world of ancient aliens an unidentified

1632
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,480
discovery channel and history channel

1633
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:25,119
and all these different things james fox

1634
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,160
movies

1635
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,319
i think we're in a whole new world of

1636
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,480
open well i know we are i've lived

1637
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,240
through it we're in a whole new world of

1638
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,319
open discussion i used to sit around the

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dinner table in the 80s and 90s having

1640
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,319
these discussions with people and

1641
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,559
everyone would roll their eyes on ufos

1642
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,280
aliens whatever those discussions are

1643
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,599
not only not eye rolls anymore those

1644
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people ask me now hey you work at the

1645
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debrief

1646
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,559
what's really going on what do you guys

1647
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,720
know over there and i get asked that

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question by mainstream scientists with

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01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,880
with seven phds

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attached to their name i mean this is a

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real thing that's being really looked at

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and scientists that have closed minds

1653
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:08,240
about it are are in my experience uh the

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type people that have their closed minds

1655
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regardless so the vast majority of

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scientists

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are telling me this is something they

1658
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want to understand and are open to

1659
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,599
trying to understand it

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01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,920
awesome thank you so much well listen

1661
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,000
chris we've hit the hour i i cannot

1662
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,440
thank you enough that was a fascinating

1663
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conversation cool and i'd love to do it

1664
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,599
again next year maybe we've got some

1665
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,319
more more things to talk about um i will

1666
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be keeping my eye on on your work as i

1667
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do with everyone at the debrief and some

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really good people if i can do a little

1669
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,559
plug here vinny since we're live

1670
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,440
tomorrow i have a huge story coming out

1671
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,160
it's not uap related but i did have an

1672
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,720
opportunity to speak to a scientist

1673
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,880
who was a consultant on the tv show

1674
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,480
battle battlestar galactica

1675
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,480
he was a cult consultant on the movie

1676
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,119
gravity and he's written he wrote a book

1677
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,440
called the science of do

1678
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:01,760
and basically what i did was as i went

1679
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,319
through the movie dune because you know

1680
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,319
what a great job where i have to go

1681
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,240
watch the movie dune

1682
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,240
and i tracked all the different

1683
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,480
technologies used in the movie of course

1684
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,559
i read the books years ago and seen the

1685
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:16,880
movie in the 80s and the mini series

1686
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,599
even in the 2000s and i went over these

1687
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,920
in an interview with this guy and i took

1688
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,079
five of the key technologies in that

1689
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,440
movie uh from those books and broke down

1690
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,839
how they work in the books and movie and

1691
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:31,839
then how close we are to bringing those

1692
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:33,920
technologies to reality i did this with

1693
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,480
the star trek uh technologies a couple

1694
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,880
of months ago that was really popular

1695
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,960
breaking down transporters and warp

1696
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:43,599
drives and phasers and photon torpedoes

1697
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:46,880
in this one i break down uh ornithopters

1698
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,319
personal shields the folding of space uh

1699
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,559
drives that they use

1700
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,319
a number of the technologies that are

1701
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,480
covered in in the dunes so that's a big

1702
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,480
story coming out tomorrow and uh until

1703
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,400
everyone look for that yeah well i've

1704
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,559
popped the debrief um

1705
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,640
link in the description below as long as

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01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,200
as well as your twitter and your website

1707
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,640
where people can go and check out your

1708
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,280
books as well and your blog so yeah

1709
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:13,119
everyone should go and do that

1710
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,240
so yeah i think that's covered

1711
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,599
everything thank you to everyone that's

1712
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,359
been watching live asking the questions

1713
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,280
the donations that's so kind i

1714
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,799
appreciate every single one of you for

1715
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,920
being here

1716
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,079
yeah so thank you very much chris thank

1717
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,240
you so much man

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01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,559
awesome yeah take care everyone and